Age Verification for Qubes OS and Whonix (among other Linux Distributions)

These are active, ongoing discussions on the Qubes OS and Whonix Forum with various external references to forges, mailing lists, and MediaWiki instances of other Linux distributions across the Internet.

Parallel topic at Privacy Guides Community:

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@adrelanos has provided an update on the Whonix Forum:

One of the multiple references was this Mastodon post from Carl Richell at System76 addressing both the California and Colorado bill:

The claim is that there is a possiility of open-source software being excluded from future bill amendments.

In addition, there is an Ageless Linux distribution based on Debian specifically targeting the legal language of AB 1043:

@michael from the Qubes OS team has provided a response:

Ageless Linux is claiming that Kicksecure/Whonix will be complying with the age verification API:

I have informed @adrelanos and @arraybolt3 about this discrepancy on the Whonix Forum:

For the current status of Kicksecure and/or Whonix, use the Kicksecure Wiki, not Ageless Linux’s distro compliance tracker:

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Pull request from @arraybolt3 has been merged upstream:

The end of the pull request refers to another GitHub repository, which does not currently list Kicksecure or Whonix (yet):

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Age verification laws are accelerating globally. The paradox: proving you’re not a child requires revealing who you are. Can zero-knowledge proofs break that tradeoff, or do they just relocate the trust problem to whoever issues the credential?

For anyone interested in ZKP, search for Zero Knowledge Proof on wikipedia.

I don’t have the answer to this question, no real solution, only tradeoffs, but curious to hear about ideas the community have in mind.

Kids are really smart and will figure out new ways to bypass these measures anyways.

I’m interested in the topic of privacy, freedom, and safety. I’m a father and I care a great deal about safety, but I strongly believe blanket rules “for your safety” aren’t the right approach.

The human solution is way more difficult as it requires something fundamental: parenting, civil social discourse, and tons of patience. But it pays off by setting values on respect and actual trust, vs defering to tech/AI to do the parenting/trusting on our behalf. This means creating a culture of open discussion and education with our kids, at home, in the community, in schools, “in the village”. I feel this is way more important than just making rules online that will end up being exploited for all kinds of purposes (profit, surveillance, etc.), and trying to solve a problem with another problem.

What’s next after age verification? Behaviour verification? Are you behaving safely online? Maybe we need to check that too?

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My idea is starting to lean harder into maintaining my own Linux distribution for myself.

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I think everyone who cares about security or children (or freedom etc) agrees with you!

But the goal of these age verification laws has never been to protect children. Let’s not pretend.

Probably, yes.

I do miss the days when I was feeling optimistic about technology!

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Device attestation.

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